Welcome to the Mindset Coach Academy Podcast. I'm Lindsay Wilson and I am a high-performance mindset coach, a mom, a former professional athlete and an entrepreneur. I help coaches and high performers optimize their mindset to improve their coaching, their performance and those of their athletes and their lives. Here you'll learn all about mindset, how to live it, how to teach it and how to sell it. Hi guys and welcome back to the Mindset Coach Academy.
You guys we have a very special episode today. We have two of our certified coaches that are now coaching within the Mindset Coach Academy and they run our small group breakout groups during the four-month certification. They are also running their own businesses so I want you to learn about that but I'm actually really curious about what's going on in the breakout groups because I don't micromanage you guys. I let you guys really coach and run those groups yourself and this is a little bit of the behind the scenes. So for those of you listening we are going to talk about the certification but in particular the importance of the small breakout groups and you're going to meet two of our coaches and they're going to tell us all about themselves and the breakout groups and we're going to talk about the importance of the breakout groups here in a second.
So Amy Allefant and Ken Bizzup are two of our NCAA graduates and now coaches within our program. I'm going to let them introduce themselves and then we'll get right into it. Amy do you mind starting?
No absolutely so yeah so I'm Amy Allefant. I am working out of the Chicago area and got connected with the MCA program about five years ago. So I've been kind of with Lindsay for a long time and have had my own business for the last probably last four years. Started transcendental training after I graduated from the MCA program and currently now working with athletes, lots of hockey players, swimmers, field hockey. Any athlete that crosses my path right now I'm happy to help but mostly right now my concentration is on hockey and swimmers and starting to do some presentations for corporations and small groups and just been progressing along the way. And you've been a coach with us for a couple years now. I think you were probably one of the first that we called in when we decided to do small groups within this. I think it's right. I think yes. So like when we started when I first got certified we didn't have small groups and then I think it was either your second or your third cohort where you approached me and a couple other people and said hey would you do this and I think I've been a part of it since so I love it.
Yeah awesome. Ken hi. Well my name is Ken Bisop. I'm a mental performance coach and I'm based here in New Jersey. I've been doing this for 10 years and it's the best job I've ever had.
Yes. I got into the MCA program a year ago because I needed to get a system in place. I needed a recipe for success and I had followed you for years and I just kept subscribing to your content and it was just it hit me that this was the next course of action for me and it's been a great journey ever since. So cool. It's so cool to see you guys come in full circle now coaching within our program because I literally remember each one of you your application video like I can put myself when I was watching it. So so cool to have you guys as part of the program now.
So I want to just sort of set the tone for the small groups and why we're really diving into this today in the podcast. You know in our program I believe we are the best mindset coaching program in the world. There is nothing else like what we do and I think a big part of that is our graduates how successful they are our current students how qualified they are and how driven they are. And I think a big part of it is you guys coming back and in particular the small groups because I would say that. people don't necessarily understand how much they need that group.
I think it's, we take that so, so seriously. And as Amy said, we didn't have that in the beginning. We didn't know we needed it. And then when we added it in, it is truly one of, I think, the most popular parts of our program because people need so much support.
You can go learn mental training tools on YouTube, you know, but to actually be working on building your business and getting that extra support. And not just from me, but from your peers, from your coaches, your small group coaches, which are you guys, how much people actually need it. More so, I think, than they actually realize coming in. Like it is a big part of our program. Ken, do you mind talking a little bit about that?
Absolutely. The support that you get and when what have you. Yeah, the small groups was such a value to me and so important for me and my growth. As a mindset coach, you know, we do the work, we do the workbooks, we have our kind of our standard protocol here. But getting into the small groups allows you to be vulnerable. And that's important because it allows you to practice and fail in a safe environment where we're all kind of like minded and we're here to help the community grow. And you don't get that elsewhere.
Like you said, right? You can read a book, you learn about it, but to actually put that into practice and to have real world coaches that are there to support you. And there's a growth opportunity in these small groups that you don't get anywhere else. And it's amazing when you see that in the kind of the reaction or the conversations of those that we're coaching. You know, the breakthroughs, the smiles, the confidence, the feeling that they get that it's okay to be vulnerable.
It's okay to fail. But then that's what we're here to do is to put that into practice so you feel comfortable taking your gifts out into the world. One thing that I will add before I get to you, Amy, is, you know, just as a little context, the mindset coach certification is four months. We have one training call a week, which is with me and you guys and we talk about, you know, it's like the learning portion and some coaching.
And then you have one breakout group with one of your captains every week. And I will say sometimes after the training calls, people look a little bit like deer and headlights because we give so much to them during those calls. And by the next week after they've had their breakout call with you guys, it's like things settle and they're like, oh, okay, because sometimes you don't have questions right away either right like you learn something and then you sleep on it you try it yourself. Maybe you do some of the exercise in the workbook to be like, oh shit, I don't understand this, or this is harder than I thought, or this is coming up for me. Is that Amy, is that your experience, both as a student and now as a coach.
Yeah, definitely for sure. And like I said, I mean, I didn't have the advantage of that small group. And I was like, I was like, I can't believe I'm in a group that I've seen the big group, and I was like, I'm so happy that I'm in a group that I was through it.
So, like, night and day like I wish I had had it because I've seen I've seen the growth. I've seen the community that builds within the small groups as well. And a lot of times after, you know, after the big group, they, you know, they show up in the small group, and they have these questions and they're confused and, you know, they think they're the only one and then everybody in the group is, Yeah, I had that same question, right.
So to Ken's point, it's that vulnerability. It's like that, that being able to come into the small group and ask those questions and just knowing that everybody's in the same boat. You know, even in the big, even in the big group, like sometimes there's those people that just don't like to speak out in the small in the big groups, but then they get to the small group and it's just a safer space for them to grow and to learn. And to ask those questions and get into it like into the nitty gritty type of thing and you can just see they like, okay, I can do this like there's just this is there is a sense of relief, knowing that there's that they have this group that they can come to and and ask any question and be safe and learn from each other and it's just really cool.
Yeah. Yeah, the questions that come out of these, these small group discussions are amazing and I'm learning so much from them as well. And taking some, you know, this is helping me grow the small groups and just interacting with with everyone.
And I think that a little bit of the dollar. Well, I think the magic of coaching in a small group. I think that's I mean it's in many ways it's even better than like a one on one type situation right because you get these other people and it normalizes your experience. And you guys create that safe space which is like the magic of coaching right is like having that space, you don't have to learn something you just applying it and then you're you're reflecting on it, but I think also the to me a lot of it too is that the delay because again people learn something and then these questions start bubbling up. So it makes that next week like they can almost have like a clean slate and I like okay I'm ready to learn the next thing at least that's the sense that I get when I get on the calls like we work through all the BS and extra thoughts and emotions that you have about last week's tools. It can keep us on that cadence of like, otherwise I think people it just gets. It's hard to learn so much so fast and not have a place to process it and feel whatever you need to feel and I will also say, we've designed it so that it's under seven people there's been some research and I can't think of what it is off the top of my head where more than seven people, you can get lost and I think that's a great point Amy some people are introverted some people are shy some people don't know what to say I mean I've had that experience on my own in my own mastermind.
When I'm getting coach it's like, well who wants coaching and I'm like, I don't even know what I need coaching on like I'm not even there yet. Right. And then you get a little bit of time and then something you sleep on it and you're like, oh, I need this. Yeah, and that's the great dynamic about it is just how it seems to flow from. from the main call, right?
Here's what we're learning, right? As a larger group to then how it turns into the smaller group. And then when we return back to the larger group, how everything just flows, right? One from the other. And you do, you see that, the sense of relief, the sense of, okay, I'm getting this.
This is working for me, yeah. And you guys get bonded in your small groups too. Like I noticed that because they start coaching each other. It's not just me coaching. Are you guys coaching? It's like they start practicing, which of course the whole goal of the certification is to be able to coach, right? And you get more of that opportunity in the small groups. Are you guys seeing that within your groups? Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that's a really good point.
It's so a lot of times, you know, when they come to the small group with questions, a lot of times I try before I even answer, I throw it out to the group. Like what do you guys think, right? Like how would you handle this?
Or what are your thoughts about this? You know, like that's part of it, is part of bringing them in and getting them comfortable with kind of problem-solving and looking at situations from different angles. So that's definitely like another benefit of those small groups is we're able to do that and that sort of thing. Well, you're teaching them to trust themselves, right? I mean, so much of what we're doing, and you guys know this obviously in the insider mastermind of like when you look at someone else's problems, in quotes or challenges, you're looking at them through the coaching lens instead of the emotions of them being your own problems.
And then when you bring that mentality back to your own, you learn to coach yourself better. Are you seeing that too at Ken in your groups? Absolutely, we do a lot of role-playing and I'm real straightforward.
So my style is I don't do band-aids. So we get right into, you know, I'm gonna, you know, so yes, I can give you my opinion on it and my approach and my experience, but let's collectively work together. Who would like to answer that question? Who wants, let's start the role-play. Yeah. And then I'm really just helping facilitate them coaching one another. Yeah, beautiful. Which brings me to my next point.
I really wanted, I told you guys I was gonna put you on the spot, I really wanna know what, one of the, I should say, let me frame this. One of the other, I think, big benefits to coaching in this way and having the small groups and having our graduates come back and coach is it gives people access to different coaching styles. And I think sometimes when we join a program, we think that if we're not like, you know, the person that we're learning from, i.e.
me, then we must be doing something wrong or we have to try to be like the person we're learning from. And I love that there are so many different coaching styles. You guys are very different. And I want people listening, I want people joining our certification to understand that no matter what, if you're introverted, extroverted, into the science, into the emotion, young, old, whatever it is that your unique voice has value and is actually needed in the world. And so I wanted to throw that to you guys and say, what is unique or different about your coaching style? I have ideas about what it is to, but I think that's an important part of it. Cause people are seeing me, they're seeing you, they're seeing Ken, they're seeing Amy, you know, they're seeing these different options and different styles, which I think is really important, gives them my whole confidence that whatever their style is, is important as well.
Amy, what do you think your sort of style is that you're bringing into the table? I mean, I don't know if it's my particular style, but you know, my philosophy, whether it's with the small groups or with the athletes that I work with is that there's no like cookie cutter system, right? So like every small group each week's a little bit different. Every group between cohort is a little bit different. Every individual that's in that group is a little bit different. So try to really keep that in mind when answering questions and helping them along and trying to realize that what they're experiencing, you know, is different than maybe what another person in the group is experiencing, right?
And then really encouraging them to really look at the big picture and to do the work first and to do the work on themselves first and really understand. We do a lot of, at least in my group this session, we've done a lot of focusing on what their why is. Like why are you here? Why, what is the purpose of you going through this?
Because I'm a big believer that we have to have a strong foundation of what our why is to go back to when things get hard, when we reach that struggle point, when we think that we're never gonna be able to get over this hump, that why is so powerful. So I really come from a place like that. Yeah.
Can I share with you what I think your special power is? Of course. Yes. Not really, that's even worse.
You know what somebody else thinks is even worse when putting yourself on the spot. Amy, the reason that I think you are such a powerful coach for the Mindset Coach Academy and elsewhere is I think you're a little bit of like the steady, you meet people where they are. And I think you're a little bit of like a silent assassin. Like you don't seem like you're like going like so far, like fast to your goals, but you've been so steady and you've built like such a consistent business by being that way. And I think you bring that to your triathlon training too.
You know, and you've had such success and you've also had a lot of You've got four kids, you've had health issues by yourself and in your family, and you've just kept going. And I think you can meet people where they are and bring them with you in a way that's really unique. And I think that that's, like I said, I think you're a little bit of an asylum assassin because you have just- I like that term. I've never thought about it that way before. Yeah, you've been like, yeah.
Because you're like getting into your business. And I think you're right too, which I didn't think about is the fact that I have been with you for a long time now, it seems like. And again, lots of obstacles, the four kids and my parents in poor health at times and then my own personal injuries.
And I've had a lot of stops and go. So I think a lot of times that the other students can relate, like I can relate to that when they're having problems or struggles. And you're like the one thing I always say, like one of the biggest pieces of advice that you gave me, and I always share it with my group, is whatever you do, take one small step forward every day.
Like even if it's two minutes, focusing on something, mindset training or towards your business, just to keep your foot in the game when all else feels like is coming down on you. Well, you're living in a difficult world. Yeah. That's I appreciate you.
Amazing. Ken, now I'm going to put you on the spot and I have ideas about what you do, what you bring to it. So Amy's our ninja coach.
She's our ninja. I want to go back to what you were saying about, right? Again, the different styles. So isn't it, isn't that exactly what our athletes deal with in terms of expectations?
Right. There's this expectation that I have to play like someone else, maybe my parents were right. And so that's relevant here because with and I see it in our small groups and this came up last week, when they were trying to kind of, we are creating that their story, right? Around their story and who they are and, and Amy to your point, right? They're why many of them felt like they had to be just like Lindsey, right?
Or they had, they had to be just like, right? So and so when they coach and so when they see these different styles of coaching, they can relate to that because one of our, one of our students in my group said, I really like the way that, you know, you approach things because that's more in line with how I would want to coach and approach things. And so we were able to have a further conversation offline about that and give her some really good direction on that and say, look, basically follow your heart, right? You have the materials. Don't change who you are.
Just continue to grow into who you want to become. So I would say that. Yeah. So my style is more again, I just, I'm straight to the point. I'm very, very empathetic, very, I'm kind of, I'm in your shoes. I'm with you, but I'm going to call you out on the BS that you tell yourself, right? And so that's what I said. I don't do the band-aids. So you're here.
The past is the past. We're going to rip off. What do you want to achieve moving forward?
And let's set our mind on that and let's focus on that and let's move forward. I use a lot of science. I'm a science guy. I'm a brain guy, right? So a lot of background in sports psychology and how the brain works. And I tie that into other areas of my business.
So very scientific, very brain driven, why the brain does these things. But also I bring out that emotional part. Like I let you cry when you need to cry, right? And we talk about that. We talk about getting those feelings out.
So I'm there to support my clients, but drive them hard. Can I share what I think? Absolutely.
You can take a loaded question. I think you really hit the nail in the head because I've seen you so often in our MCA calls and in our insider program where you really cut straight to the heart of what someone's struggling with. And you can help them see with love.
You're like, I think you're the pit of me at Tough Love with love. But what what they're saying to themselves, that isn't true. And how their brain is creating something that they don't want. And I think that's like very much like a superpower for you as a coach. And I see that. quite often, you know, and you're good at like observing and not saying anything. And then like the one thing that you do say is like, that's that's truth right there.
Right. And so I think that's really a powerful tool that I see you using. And again, different styles and you guys both sticking with what your sort of zone of genius is, is the thing that is building your business. It's not trying to be like me. It's not trying to be like whoever else, you know, that's doing this. And I think that's a really important thing because I think some people come into the certification thinking they have to be a certain way. And for sure, there's things that we have to do likely that maybe are out of our comfort zone or out of our natural personality.
You know, I'm thinking like doing Facebook live videos or something, right? But but but our style and who we are, we don't have to lose that. And like you said, just the same way that we want to teach athletes, you know, you don't want to go try to play like somebody else.
It doesn't really work long term. And so I think that's really good for our students to see those different personality or coaching styles and see that it's all OK. And so whatever they are is OK to and actually needed. So I appreciate that for you guys. The other thing I want to talk about is I just wanted to say this is that now that we are having more graduates and people are building businesses, we actually have people being hired by other mindset coaching businesses as coaches.
And you guys are coaching for us. You also have your own business. But I want to just tell people this is a paid position.
Like you guys are not volunteering your time, although I'm sure you would do that as well. And I think that's really important because, you know, sometimes we think, well, we have to go from zero to 100 K and zero to like quitting my day job. And for many people, you might be working for other people and finding opportunities to grow and get paid for that experience. Like I said, we just had one of our coaches hire somebody who's actually not even graduated yet to coach within her business. And it's just kind of a thing that people can think about if they want to build their business. Kind of like an internship program, huh?
Yeah. Well, like, you know, like a paid you get to learn from, you know, in this case, me or one of our other certified coaches on and get paid for basically getting experience to coach. So there's opportunities outside of having your own business, I guess is my point of that.
Right. OK, so I want to just talk a little bit about is there anything that's happening in the small groups? I mean, I always think that the small groups are just absolute magic. Like that is the place where people can grow. And like you said, that's like the safe space. I think that's like the epitome of coaching. But is there anything else that's like happening in the small groups or like surprised you about the small groups?
Can I think this might even be your first time being a coach? I remember correctly. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Your one for me. Right.
Yeah. And we've had a couple other people, Skyler and Nikki come on the top of my head that have also been coaches, but you guys are the ones right now. Um, anything else that's happening within those small groups that you want to share?
Or that you think people need to know about? It's it's so rewarding to watch people find themselves and to and to. Have finally, because again, this is a commitment, right?
Signing up for this is a commitment. And we talk about that a lot. And you you you kind of in month one, we talk about like the commitment they made to get here and how that they're changing.
And we use month one to do that. And watching them change and transform and to say, you know, I'm finally doing something that I really have a passion for. And then helping them sort all of that out. It's pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, I'm getting a lot out of that. Yeah. Well, that's true. Yeah.
I mean, more we coach the more we learn, right? I did want to say I did want to do a little breakdown of the the months. And then maybe you guys can say how the small groups help during that specific month, because I think your role changes a little bit. So in the certification, we have it's a four month program. Month one is all about coaching yourself, learning these skills as a human being with a mind and a brain that needs to be trained. So I think month one is super intense from that standpoint, because it's not anything about other people. It's just about yourself. Month two is our performance visualization specialist training where they're actually learning how to deliver guided visualization.
So there's a lot of practice. Month three is all about packaging and pricing. That's what we're in right now. And then month four, sorry, month three is all about working with their first client and the frameworks that they're going to be using and the tools they're going to be using. And then month four is packaging and pricing and getting their message out into the world with marketing and selling. So with that in mind, are there any specific examples or ways that you obviously were not in month four yet with the packaging and pricing and marketing? But of the last three months, is there ways that you think the small group is serving the purpose of that month uniquely? I mean, yeah, I think, you know, each month, like, I mean, I'm not sure, you know, how I've done the groups is, you know, we always kind of start off the same way as the big group in terms of progress challenge and open the floor up to any questions they might have that is relevant to what we discussed in the big group. Sometimes there's a lot of questions, sometimes there's not. You know, particularly like with the visualization month, there were a lot of questions, let's say about metaphors. So like we did a lot of brainstorming about metaphors and, and, you know, coming up with metaphors as a group, and having them support each other and you know, now with the three session outlines that we're working on in preparation to work with your first clients, we're talking a lot about the different issues that could pop up with your clients and what would those, what does that look like and what are the tools that we've learned or that we have in our own toolbox that we can share with those clients to help solve that problem that they have, you know, enlisted us to work on so, you know, a lot of times we're doing a lot of brainstorming on the ideas of what, you know, we're talked about in the big group. We're doing a lot of supporting each other. We're doing a lot of celebrating with each other when somebody gets their first client or has their aha moment. And it's just, you know, we kind of just ebb and flow with with whatever's going on in the big groups and sometimes, sometimes somebody will ask a question or we'll have a progress challenge and it will take us in a whole different direction but it's still relevant to what we're doing. And I always try to, you know, like, and I always point out is like, this is what's going to happen when you have a client is sometimes you're going to like have the perfect plan in place right and you're going to go in a completely different direction but you can do it. And so it's just, it's, that's kind of where we go.
I'm just thinking of how valuable it is for people with all their little fears about what could go wrong and Amy sitting there saying like I dealt with that last week and I survived, you know, like, I mean, I think that by itself is so powerful because we put up all these things like oh this is going to go wrong and what if you know all these things and you can sit there and say yeah I've had an athlete not pay attention or I've had a parent that wasn't satisfied or whatever it is and you have a thriving business. That's so cool. I bet that's so helpful for them. Yeah, and just, yeah, and you can share and I'm sure Ken does too is like share stories about the athletes that they've worked off, worked with and bring in the connections and bring in, you know, just the different situations so just giving them and like Ken said there's nothing better than them just like seeing that kind of like sigh of relief or that smile or like, you know, the thumbs up in the chat box you know when somebody is shared a big win or you know accomplish something they didn't think that they would be able to accomplish there's nothing better than that and just seeing the group and the cohesiveness of the group come together. I've never had a group where there wasn't support, or it just it's amazing like every group just kind of comes together and just wants to see each other succeed and and accomplish whatever their goals are and that's just awesome. I think it's like the I was writing an email the other day and to me it's like, it's the group that you didn't even know you needed maybe or you didn't if you knew know you needed you didn't know it existed. You know because so many of us are, and I did this for years like you just work in front of your computer at your house, trying to be a mindset coach in this world and like trying to figure it out all on your own.
And it's such. It's not only like wasted time and like a lot of mistakes, but it's so hard to keep the belief alive that you can do this when you're not around other people that are doing it. You're not around other people that are making money at this, and you're just like, am I delusional can this actually work. And then you're in this community but people that are supporting you and you're like, they got their first kind I can do this, or Amy built her business and she's got all these obstacles and like, oh, and to be in that space where you feel supported and you get a little help keeping your belief alive allows you to then put your hard work towards actually building your business instead of wasting all this time and energy with gouts. I think it's like the best mindset hack you can possibly deliver you know it's the it's the best community and I glad you feel that way because I do to and I learned from you guys all the time it's amazing I think it's just so cool.
Um, can tell me about the small group through the four months or at least the three months that we've been doing it. Yeah, I will tell you that you're right on point here trying to do it on your own just does not work. If you're listening trying to do it on your own just does not work. These small groups are that mindset hack, because this is exactly what happens is we begin with a progress challenge in the small groups, and that tends to overlap between what they just learned and into what they're now learning.
And it brings a whole bunch of questions up. And so again, we begin to okay let's practice and then you'll find that everyone has pretty much the same concern or fear. And then again there's this sense of relief that okay I'm not I'm not by myself. And there's always the dark horse in the group that now all of a sudden was quiet but chimes up because they've grown so much. Yeah, through the previous week that they're now almost taking the lead, you know, in in the conversation and helping the other folks.
But the way that these are structured Lindsay and you put a lot of work into this and there there was there was a method to your madness but the way that every one of these modules comes into play and begins and ends and how it overlaps is crucial because it's that month one of working on yourself that now we're in month three right that we go back to and we say okay if you just went through the motions and went through the book. then you're not doing yourself any service. Like you have to own that.
You have to take these tools and understand the purpose of them and how you wanna use them. And that's what we begin to feel safe doing when we are doing that role play. It's okay, let's take that braver. Let's take that tear process.
Let's take that. How would we incorporate that now with this particular client or the situation that we're talking about? So it's constantly taking and reinforcing what you learned and bringing it into that new session. Yeah, absolutely. And I see that with, like I said, when people show up to the call the next week, there's like a sense of, it's like a calm confidence. You know, like being able to be okay with not knowing everything. I think that's kind of like what Amy was saying, with the safety of like, it's okay, this is the path.
You know, I have, I'm following my leaders here and they're gonna take me, Lindsey and Amy and Ken are gonna take me down this path. It's okay, I don't have to have it all figured out because so often we just self-sabotage. We look around, we think everybody else has it all figured out. I'm the only one struggling or I'm the only one that's overwhelmed or I'm the only one that has a stupid question that I don't understand. And like being able to say, it's okay, you entrust this path and then ultimately trust yourself that it's all gonna come together in time. This is a journey. It's not like you wake up one day and you're like, oh, totally got this, great.
And so what I see, you know, what I really see is so the result that I'm seeing in these small groups is the confidence in themselves that they made the right decision to enroll in the MCA. They're at that point now because remember in the beginning they're trying to figure this all out. And we're all asking, where am I? I feel like I'm behind, I'm not getting this. But by the time we're into this, this kind of like week nine, month three, they know they've made the right decision and they are just now blazing full ahead and now they can't get enough information. Right, Amy? Oh, for sure. Yeah, they're just bouncing, you know, they're jumping at the bit to like keep going forward.
Like want to get so far ahead is like almost have to pull back the reins a little bit and say, whoa, you know, like one step at a time. Yeah, which is awesome. They're the first compliant. Yeah, yeah. You love the enthusiasm, right?
But it's like, you know, so it's awesome. Well, I truly couldn't do it without you guys and all the coaches that we've had in the past and will have, you know, I'm always looking at our certified coaches and want to get more of them involved because I think it's such a win-win for all of us to just keep these communities going because it really helps boost our belief that this stuff works and that we can do this and we're just continually growing. And so my last question for you guys is just where, where have you grown within these small groups? Because as you guys have both mentioned, like you're learning constantly through these, how has this impacted your business, your mentality? Has this changed what you think is possible for your business? Are there things that you would add in or for your own trainings?
Like tell me if there's anything that the small groups as being a coach, what that's done for you? Go ahead, Ken. Okay, top of mind. I would say that it's just really, so I have clients throughout the week, but then these are my regular clients, right? My small group, I kind of look at them as my group, right? And so I'm constantly now in that, I'm in that coaching, right? I'm in that coaching and my confidence is there. I'm reinforcing stuff that I already know, so I'm telling myself these things, as I'm coaching, right, these other mindset coaches, it reinforces what I already know. It reinforces, right? It constantly letting the brain know that, yeah, you're okay, right? It's safe, what you're saying is legitimate, and it just continues to build my confidence in myself and work on the things that work and then don't work. It's just constantly helping me tweak my messaging even sometimes, right? Cause I look at them as clients.
I kind of almost am practicing just speaking in front of other people. Absolutely. So yeah, that's kind of what we're always doing. We're constantly tweaking, but every time I do the MCA, you guys know I'm editing the workbooks. I'm changing just a little bit how I'm communicating things, and you can't do that just sitting in front of your computer. You know, like you, of course, we're all in front of our computer anyway on Zoom, but you know what I mean? We can't do that on our own, I guess is what I'm saying. Like the ability to communicate these techniques and the ability to communicate the value of these techniques is a skill set that we have to keep practicing, and I'm glad that you're getting that out of it, cause I think it really is, I mean, it's such a useful thing for your business, but such a great opportunity to practice those things.
Amy, what are you noticing? Yeah, a lot of the same ideas that Ken just shared is, you know, I look at these groups like, you know, as my group, right, like as my, you know, students or my clients just like Ken, and I take a lot of pride in their accomplishments. And, you know, I suffer not suffer is not the right word, but like, I feel their disappointments when they have them. And it's just an opportunity, again, for me to do more coaching and like Ken says, to tweak things and to listen to the message that I bring and then to like reinforce what I know and bring value to that and share what I know is huge. But also, like, there's not a session or a group or like a cohort where I don't feel like I haven't learned from them as well, like they'll bring out ideas that maybe I hadn't thought of or a different perspective of things that I hadn't thought of. And I'm like, oh, you know, I can incorporate that or, you know, just a different point of view and being able to look at it, you know, we were crossing paths with people from all parts of the country, all different backgrounds, all different like performance areas, like some not some not even sports at times, right?
Like, so we're getting these like whole different perspectives from different people. And it's just more tools in my toolbox, like more, you know, you can't, you can't help not to grow as a person when you're working in these groups. And I think that I think it's mutual. It's a very mutual feeling within.
Awesome. So I spend time. Yeah, so after each call, I spend time to just sit back and reflect on how how the call went, right? Did I deliver the message that I intended to deliver?
Did I did I feel that my entire audience, right, got something out of that? And there will be times when I'll say, you know, that there was just something off. And so I'll sit in there and I'll reflect on how did it go?
And why am I thinking that thought? And I go back to the what I learned in month one, and I kind of, you know, just kind of reevaluate reevaluate and reassess. Yeah. So it's great for me to do that.
Yeah, I mean, the power of evaluation is so cute. I just did a podcast on that, actually. And I will talk about that a lot in the Insider program. Any final thoughts about the small group that we anything you were thinking about that we didn't cover? No, I just think the small groups are like one of like, as you said, I think it's one of the most valuable pieces of the certification.
So like I said, I didn't have it when I went through. I saw the change immediately when I've, you know, the first time you did it, just in the value of it. It's just, it's, you know, I was just talking to somebody the other day, like, you know, we need human connection, right?
Like, and it's just another way of connecting and, and making those connections and those social connections and just such a valuable piece of the puzzle, like, huge difference. And you're not going to find it anywhere else. Like, I don't know a coaching program out there where they have these small groups and it's worth, it's worth that extra hour a week.
It's worth the extra, you know, what time that you put into it, because you can't replace it. Well, I know you guys have lifelong connections. You guys are all, we talked about this last week on the MCA, you guys are like coaching each other's kids. And you're like sharing marketing or you're asking each other advice about doing different proposals or just connecting on your businesses. And it's so cool to see that, those connections and those relationships.
And we're hiring one another. That's even better, right? That's so cool. So cool. You guys, as I said before, you guys are such an integral part of not only small groups, but just the MCA in general, because we are training and certifying mindset coaches to take this out to the world. And I so appreciate you guys being such a big part of it. We really truly couldn't do without you. So Ken, Amy, I appreciate you so, so much. And thanks for taking the time today.
I know you guys got tons of clients today. So I'll let you be, but I appreciate you so much. Tell the listeners real quick where they can connect with you. You can find me right now on Instagram or Facebook at Transcend Mental Training. Okay, Ken.
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